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  • #32476
    filip_kbh
    BRONZE Member
      • Copenhagen

      I just picked up a BC9300 for 15 GBP, advertised as defect but with a relay clicking.

      True enough – I just connected it to mains, and I hear a click from a relay. Other than that, there is no stand-by light. I have opened the unit (the glass panel was of course loose, so I took that off), and I see no obvious signs. Is there a known problem, like e.g. cracked solder joints around a certain capacitor that I should look for, or should I start by seeing if I have the correct voltages as per the service manual?

      #32480
      auric
      BRONZE Member

        Check the fuses behind the cover where power cord goes into the unit.

        But always inquire why the fuses blew in the first place!

        #32489
        filip_kbh
        BRONZE Member
          • Copenhagen

          I have the correct voltages from the transformer. On the standby board I also have correct voltages except for P90 pin 1. It’s supposed to be 7.8V as I read the schematic (it says ‘7V8 unregulated’) but I measure approx. 24V.

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          #32496
          filip_kbh
          BRONZE Member
            • Copenhagen

            Is the relay on the standby board supposed to click? Because mine doesn’t say a click.

            #32497
            filip_kbh
            BRONZE Member
              • Copenhagen

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              #32500
              filip_kbh
              BRONZE Member
                • Copenhagen

                All fuses were good.

                #32514
                filip_kbh
                BRONZE Member
                  • Copenhagen

                  I guess I should have started by checking the battery:

                  IMG_0055IMG_0056IMG_0057IMG_0058

                  There was only one trace that was broken, so I fixed that. Those batteries are a ticking time bomb 🤨

                   

                   

                  #32520
                  Madskp
                  GOLD Member
                    • Denmark

                    Yeah those batteries can make a mess.

                    I don’t know if it is just the picture, but it looks like there is a crack in the diode D5

                    #32521
                    Guy
                    Moderator
                      • Warwickshire, UK

                      I have just replaced the battery in the electronically similar BC2300 – see thread here:

                      https://forum.beoworld.co.uk/forums/topic/beosound-ouverture-cd-not-working/page/2/#post-29315

                      But after seeing your picture I may speed up battery replacement in my other similar aged B&O devices.

                      #32524
                      filip_kbh
                      BRONZE Member
                        • Copenhagen

                        Yeah those batteries can make a mess. I don’t know if it is just the picture, but it looks like there is a crack in the diode D5

                        Indeed, it does look that in the pictures. I have just re-opened it and tested D5, and there is no crack, and it measures fine. But thank you – because I originally forgot to test that diode. Now, off to my favourite all too expensive diode pusher.

                        #32532
                        filip_kbh
                        BRONZE Member
                          • Copenhagen

                          After changing the three diodes on the standby board plus fixing the trace on the processor board, the tape motor now spins but that is all. I still don’t know why I have 24V on pin 7 when it should be 7.8V. My measurements in red below. I am also missing a 15V supply.

                          Skærmbillede 2024-04-12 kl. 13.55.23

                          #32534
                          filip_kbh
                          BRONZE Member
                            • Copenhagen

                            When the motor is spinning, pin 3 gives 15V – but it is not every time the plug is plugged in that the motor will start.

                            #32547
                            filip_kbh
                            BRONZE Member
                              • Copenhagen

                              I think there’s still an issue with the micro processor board. I realise I made a mistake repairing the dead track but now that it’s fixed to the right points, there is no relay clicking. I did experience that some of the panels lit up but I don’t know what I touched prior to that. Argh.

                              #32554
                              filip_kbh
                              BRONZE Member
                                • Copenhagen

                                Can someone please upload a clear, zoomed in picture of the cpu board front and back? The service manual scan is not very clear.

                                #32628
                                filip_kbh
                                BRONZE Member
                                  • Copenhagen

                                  Hmm – these three legs are shorted. Am I right in assuming that they shouldn’t be? It’s pcb3. When the board is not connected, the BeoCenter starts up with two relays and the tape motor kicks in. The chip is right under the battery damage on the other side, so who knows what’s underneath of great surprises.

                                   

                                  Skærmbillede 2024-04-14 kl. 22.46.05

                                  #32676
                                  filip_kbh
                                  BRONZE Member
                                    • Copenhagen

                                    Turns out the three pins get the same signal but there was a broken trace under the IC.

                                    #32696
                                    Ninni
                                    BRONZE Member

                                      The 7400 is a quad NAND gate. Connecting three pins together isn’t uncommon. You do it when you use one gate as an inverter.

                                      #32707
                                      filip_kbh
                                      BRONZE Member
                                        • Copenhagen

                                        Yes – thank you.

                                        I have now turned my attention to board 10. Since I am getting 24V on P74-1 (and it should be much less – 7.8V unregulated), I am looking at TR36, and it is not working properly, so I will have to replace that.

                                        However, it puzzles me that there is seemingly a short on the board. TR31  measured a short, so I took it off but even without the component, I still measure a short 🙁

                                         

                                        Skærmbillede 2024-04-16 kl. 21.41.52

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